Pro/con moving to Fujifilm X ?
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    Pro/con moving to Fujifilm X ?

    by heartyfisher » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:37 pm

    I am seriously considering a move to the Fuji X system just like some of you have
    done. However, I would like some input to the issues involved.

    There are a number of pro and cons of course.. I am just wanting a list of
    both so that I can weigh them up and ensure I have considered all the relevant
    issues for me.

    I have listed below some of the pro/con things I noted before on various threads. I am
    looking at this from being a nikon user.. happy for the canon or other brand people
    to contribute their perspective.

    Positives
    * Smaller size cameras and lenses
    * XTrans sensor - nice colours - DR. sharpness. I was a S5Pro user and I miss those colours still.
    * Mirror less - no mirror slap . no sound, no camera shake blurriness.

    Negatives
    * Slower to focus - not for sports photography and BIF ( I am not into sports and I can live with not doing BIF ) is it really that bad?
    * Flash system - TTL -- any good ? How does it compare to CLS especially for my area of interest (Macro) will my SB 800 work on the Fuji cameras?
    * Not FX - DOF disadvantaged you want thin DOF
    * Not FX - High ISO disadvantage.
    * No D4 level camera (yet ).

    I can use 2 of my fav lenses on the Fujis with little penalty ie the 150 macro and the 50mm
    F1.4 AIS manual focus. a $20 adapter is all i need right?

    My main concerns are
    * the 18-200 (which i use a lot of mainly for the convenience) Maybe i should just replace that functionality with something like the QX100.
    * and the wonderful Flash system for Macro. is this really an issue?

    Other issues
    * Can anyone help with other issues/advantages I have not considered?
    * What about the expected nikon mirrorless . It will probably be able to use
    all Nikkor lenses a bit like the Nikon1 system with very good AF as well as full CLS support.

    Thanks in advance.
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    Re: Pro/con moving to Fujifilm X ?

    by beeb » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:38 pm

    heartyfisher wrote:* Mirror less - no mirror slap . no sound, no camera shake blurriness.

    Close to true, but is still has shutter curtains which do have a faint slap, generally not noticeable unless in fairly quite locations though (like inside a church, or similarly muffled environment).

    heartyfisher wrote:Negatives
    * Slower to focus - not for sports photography and BIF ( I am not into sports and I can live with not doing BIF ) is it really that bad?

    The focus is reasonably good now, but still not quite as good as it could be. The only reason I say this is there is the odd time here and there where it should pick an object up reasonably easily, but is misses and gives you a red box saying it hasn't found focus. Normally it only takes a second to retry, and if you focus on an contrasting edge you'll have next to no dramas anyway, and because there is so many focus points (and they cover pretty much the whole viewfinder), it actually isn't as bad as it sounds. It's is perfectly useable for most subjects, but as you are already aware you can forget about sports unless you're willing to have a fairly low hit-rate.

    About the only time I've really been annoyed by the slowness of the focusing was when trying to do some candid portraits at the Victoria Market a few weeks ago. The focus was too slow to lock onto the constantly moving store-keepers - or by the time it had, they had moved or finished doing whatever fleeting thing that made the scene interesting to me. I suspect using an adapted manual prime in this scenario would actually be much quicker and easier - especially since the introduction of focus peaking in the last major firmware update.

    The flip-side of the slower focus, is it is pretty much 100% accurate every time it attains focus-lock (unless there is some room-for-confusion in the subject (trying to shoot the stamens on a flower for example where the petals can also be seen inbetween what you're focusing on) but a D-SLR wouldn't be any better in these scenarios)

    heartyfisher wrote:* Flash system - TTL -- any good ? How does it compare to CLS especially for my area of interest (Macro) will my SB 800 work on the Fuji cameras?

    This is one major weak point of the system IMO. The flash sync speed is 1/180th, but that can't be selected manually either via menus or the shutter speed dial, so you're limited to 1/125th if shooting manual.

    The on-board TTL flash metering (with the X-E1 pop-up flash) is pretty inconsistent in my experience, and I tend to avoid using it unless in a real pinch. That may improve if you were using one of the Fuji speedlites, but I couldn't say for sure not having tried them.

    I know the Canon speedlites will fire in manual mode from the hot-shoe of my X-E1, so if your Nikon flash has a central pin that triggers the flashes they will probably work similarly.

    heartyfisher wrote:* Not FX - DOF disadvantaged you want thin DOF

    The DOF issue is not as bad as you'd expect. I can't really explain it but for some reason DOF doesn't seem as deep as on crop-frame D-SLR's for a given aperture.

    The 35mm f/1.4 (50mm equiv.) is well liked, and certainly capable of narrow DOF. A 23mm f/1.4 has just been released (35mm equiv.), and early next year a 56mm f/1.2 (86mm equiv.) is going to be released. Couple that with a good range of zooms and other primes, and there's plenty of creative options available.

    heartyfisher wrote:* Not FX - High ISO disadvantage.


    To be honest - Wrong! :lol: High ISO performance is better than my 5D III in most cases. The grain is less destructive, and almost totally monochromatic - so no weird colour artifacting.

    heartyfisher wrote:* No D4 level camera (yet ).


    Not really sure what you mean by this, can you elaborate a little more?

    heartyfisher wrote:I can use 2 of my fav lenses on the Fujis with little penalty ie the 150 macro and the 50mm
    F1.4 AIS manual focus. a $20 adapter is all i need right?

    Yeah pretty much, remember you will need aperture control on your lenses too or you'll have to shoot wide open all the time

    heartyfisher wrote:My main concerns are
    * the 18-200 (which i use a lot of mainly for the convenience) Maybe i should just replace that functionality with something like the QX100.
    * and the wonderful Flash system for Macro. is this really an issue?


    The 18-55mm is a real surprise package, and I would highly recommend it for a walkaround lens. IQ is better than it has any right to be, and it's small, light and focuses quickly. Not quite as wide on the wide end as I'd like, but surviveable.

    Using a manual flash on a TTL cord with a softbox would be one way to still do the macro work.
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    Re: Pro/con moving to Fujifilm X ?

    by heartyfisher » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:30 pm

    Thanks for the awesome reply.. lots to think about..

    * No D4 level camera (yet ).
    Not really sure what you mean by this, can you elaborate a little more?

    Just that the D4 is a pro camera that you could take into a warzone, desert, antartica and the rain forest.
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    Re: Pro/con moving to Fujifilm X ?

    by Busiboy » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:52 pm

    heartyfisher wrote:Thanks for the awesome reply.. lots to think about..

    * No D4 level camera (yet ).
    Not really sure what you mean by this, can you elaborate a little more?

    Just that the D4 is a pro camera that you could take into a warzone, desert, antartica and the rain forest.


    For the price of a D4, but 6 of these and throw them out each time you wreck one.

    Besides, how often do you shoot those 4 locations? :P
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    Re: Pro/con moving to Fujifilm X ?

    by heartyfisher » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:26 pm

    LOL ! .. never ! I dont go to places where there is a chance that I can damage myself !


    PS : went to the Digital Show in Melbourne. and a a hands on play with the X-Pro1 X-E1 and X-M1. there were various lenses mounted including primes and zooms.

    My impressions
    * Really small and light.
    * Focus is fast enough.
    * Cool method of showing the parts that are in focus !
    * For casual shooting the X-M1 is more than good enough. the tilting screen is nice. But the viewfinder is more natural for a DSLR user ..
    * Something bothers me about using the Screen or the electronic viewfinder. Maybe its bec I am used to using the normal pentaprism system. I can probably get used to it.
    * the lenses are good !

    Would i get one? . its tempting.. but i am not that great a photographer or rich enough to be getting gear just to have some small improvement in performance.
    I will probably wait till the X-M1 or X-E1 comes down in price a bit more and/or pick one up second hand.
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    Re: Pro/con moving to Fujifilm X ?

    by GeoffM » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:14 pm

    I am a Fuji X convert, having sold off all my Nikon gear, both DX and FX. My Fuji xploration started in January and by the end of August the Nikon collection was gone as it had not been used since purchasing the Fuji.

    I have to agree with everything Beeb has stated above. I enjoy using the little Fuji and the files it outputs, it is a pleasure to just go out, shoot and be inconspicuous. The weight saving is wonderful and my back and shoulders thank me for that! It is going to be a wonderful travel camera system. I have three primes and two zooms and the kit bag weighs in at around 2kg. I intend to expand the kit with probably one more prime (23) and perhaps the wide zoom (10-24) when it gets released and the kit will still be under 3kg.

    The quality and build of the Fuji gear is second to none.

    I do however have one regret..........that I didn't do it sooner.
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    Re: Pro/con moving to Fujifilm X ?

    by K1W1 » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:27 pm

    The SB800 will work fine on the hot shoe in manual mode and will fire as a manual mode slave of the on board flash when switched to SU4 mode. If you want anything else you will need radio triggers which can vary form very cheap to think of a number and triple it. Canon sync cables work but only in manual mode with Nikon flashes.

    AS Beeb said if you have Nikon G lenses (no aperture ring) you are limited to only a couple of high end adapters that support aperture adjustment and that is rudimentary at best. If you have older Nikon glass with an aperture ring any cheap adapter that fits will work okay.
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    Re: Pro/con moving to Fujifilm X ?

    by heartyfisher » Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:20 am

    Nibbled on a second hand X-E1 + 18-55 .. but it was sold :roll: oh well.. saved $1000 :-)
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    Re: Pro/con moving to Fujifilm X ?

    by Busiboy » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:09 pm

    How would you guys rate the file output compared to your FF shots?

    I'm planning a trip to the US in march, I almost want to keep the FF gear till I get back, but its so damn heavy.
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    Re: Pro/con moving to Fujifilm X ?

    by GeoffM » Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:29 pm

    Busiboy wrote:How would you guys rate the file output compared to your FF shots?

    I'm planning a trip to the US in march, I almost want to keep the FF gear till I get back, but its so damn heavy.


    I would say file output is easily equal too and in some circumstances better than the output from the D700.

    I am going overseas Dec/Jan -Hong Kong, Finland, UK, Singapore and this is one other reason why I jumped to the Fuji.
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    Re: Pro/con moving to Fujifilm X ?

    by beeb » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:45 pm

    Better than my 5D III - but it takes a little time to adjust to the files.

    Having just jumped (partly) back into the Canon gear, I can't help wondering where all the dynamic range has gone, and also why the ISO performance isn't all that good. AF, off-camera flash versatility, and a couple of ultra-fast primes are the only reasons I'm back.
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    Re: Pro/con moving to Fujifilm X ?

    by Busiboy » Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:30 pm

    beeb wrote:Better than my 5D III - but it takes a little time to adjust to the files.

    Having just jumped (partly) back into the Canon gear, I can't help wondering where all the dynamic range has gone, and also why the ISO performance isn't all that good. AF, off-camera flash versatility, and a couple of ultra-fast primes are the only reasons I'm back.


    Having trouble understanding whats what in that last one
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    by beeb » Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:41 pm

    Busiboy wrote:
    beeb wrote:Having just jumped (partly) back into the Canon gear, I can't help wondering where all the dynamic range has gone, and also why the ISO performance isn't all that good. AF, off-camera flash versatility, and a couple of ultra-fast primes are the only reasons I'm back.


    Having trouble understanding whats what in that last one


    Yeah, one of my classic unending sentences... :lol:

    To clarify: (Hopefully! :) )

    I have re-bought some Canon gear.

    Shooting with the Canon again, I am surprised by the lack of dynamic range compared to the Fuji. The ISO performance is noticeably worse on the 5D III too, as the grain is larger and more destructive to the image.

    The Autofocus, off-camera flash versatility and a couple of ultra-fast primes (and down the track a couple of other more specialised lenses too) are the reasons I'm back in the Canon system. :wink:
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    Re: Pro/con moving to Fujifilm X ?

    by Busiboy » Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:47 am

    There you go, I really don't want to get 2 systems again, I think I'll persevere with the heavy kit for the US and see how I go using it in between.
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    Re: Pro/con moving to Fujifilm X ?

    by ion_mihaila » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:06 pm

    heartyfisher wrote:Nibbled on a second hand X-E1 + 18-55 .. but it was sold :roll: oh well.. saved $1000 :-)



    Looks like you can get it brand new at Harvey Norman for that money. :)
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