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    Canon EOS 600D and 7D and multiple 430EXII speedlites

    by magnum » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:08 am

    I'm getting a bit confused.

    Wanting to get a couple of Canon Speedlite 430 EX IIs to use in a macro setup with our 600D and 7D cameras. The manuals for both (cameras) seem so indicate that the 430 EX IIs can be controlled by the camera (as the master) and the 430 EX IIs as multiple slaves wirelessly. But I read some information on the www that this may not necessarily be the case and that in wireless mode both cameras need a master speedlite (e.g. Speedlite 580 EX II or 600 EX-RT) to control a multiple flash operation.

    Can someone clarify this for me? Thanks in advance
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    Re: Canon EOS 600D and 7D and multiple 430EXII speedlites

    by Dalzine » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:32 pm

    The 7D and 600D have built in Flash commanders, they can act as a master flash to control slave flashes in much the same way that a 580exII can.

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    Re: Canon EOS 600D and 7D and multiple 430EXII speedlites

    by magnum » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:45 pm

    Dale,

    Thanks. That was my reading too, but what through me into confusion on this was a post from someone in Canon USA in an overseas forum which suggested in wireless mode the cameras' master control function was disabled.
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    Re: Canon EOS 600D and 7D and multiple 430EXII speedlites

    by Dalzine » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:06 pm

    A bit confusing, especially as that would defeat the purpose of the Flash commander in the first place.

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    Re: Canon EOS 600D and 7D and multiple 430EXII speedlites

    by magnum » Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:42 pm

    Dale,

    Yes, it was a bit. It bore out the old addage that you cannot believe everything you see on the internet.

    Now that this confusion has been settled (clarified), I will ask another question.

    As enthusiast photographers (and perhaps in the future the odd bit of professional work) my wife and I are considering the purchase of two Canon speedlites, one for my 7D and one for her 600D. But they will also be required to be used by both of us in a dual speedlite macro, creative and in time portrait set up as slaves operated wirelessly from the one camera (either 7D or 600D).

    As mentioned above, I am quite taken by the Canon Speedlite 430 EX II (and they fit the budget at present), but I am open to suggestions on the speedlite(s) and where to get them too.
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    Re: Canon EOS 600D and 7D and multiple 430EXII speedlites

    by beeb » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:31 pm

    I'm going to be blunt here - IMO there's not much point buying a 430EX II.

    If you're happy to stay with optical triggered slaves, you'd be better off just buying some cheap YongNuo units.

    For example, you could buy two of these units below for less than buying one 430EX II locally and they offer a higher output and (according to the sales shpiel) still offers all the capabilities as a slave that the 430EX II's offer (TTL flash exposure metering, HSS, etc...):

    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Yongnuo-YN56 ... 5d379e04c6

    If you want to stay with a Canon-branded unit, IMO it's worth saving the dollars to put towards a pair of 600EX-RT's and a ST-E3 Master. They're far easier to control, have radio triggering (more reliable than optical and don't need line of sight or close-quarters work to trigger, and they also have a much more user friendly/intuitive menu system). If you shop around through online retailers like Kogan, they can be found as low as $480 dollars (brand new) - so if you could stretch the budget another $500 you could cover buying them and the ST-E3.


    I'll make another suggestion though - if you're looking to do macro with speedlights - a single speedlight with a diffuser should be more than adequate for just about anything, except maybe extreme close-ups (reversed lens setups or a 65mm MP-E for example), and this type of setup would have the added benefit of removing the need for any kind of triggering (which can be a pain to achieve when shooting macros with optical triggering as it's difficult to get the master flash triggering the slave units).


    For a simple macro kit I'd suggest:

    > One of the speedlights above (or similar).
    > A cheap coiled E-TTL cord (like this: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/YongNuo-1m-O ... 3f0a0c3438)
    > A small diffuser (like this: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Honl-Photo-T ... 53ef7e7187)
    > And one of these to attach the soft-box to the speedlight - http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Honl-Photo-S ... 3a7a71f956


    To give you some examples of what the above setup can achieve, I took these shots with the same arrangement (Though I used a single 600EX-RT as it's what I had, but the light output is going to be the same from a YongNuo anyway...):

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    Butterfly Macro by T. Flack, on Flickr

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    Baby Huntsman Spider Macro by T. Flack, on Flickr


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    Rest a moment... by T. Flack, on Flickr


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    Mantis Acrobatics by T. Flack, on Flickr

    Even if you wanted to do extreme macro work, I'd be surprised if you couldn't get away with a single speedlight mounted on the hot-shoe and a custom made diffuser to light the subjects...

    *Please note - I have not carried out in depth research into which YongNuo units offer which features, or the reliability of individual models, nor have I searched for the cheapest prices - the links in the post are for examples only.
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    Re: Canon EOS 600D and 7D and multiple 430EXII speedlites

    by Chris Sitnik » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:51 pm

    Interesting topic as I'm um'ing and ah'ing about purchasing a speedlite at the moment. I don't want to hijack this thread but was wondering if anyone has any experience with the Nissin flash units? been looking at the di866 mark 2 which has full ETTL II support, wireless ETTL, 60 guide number so equivalent to a 580EXII and a cool little sub flash for when you're bouncing the flash. Can be had for $200 -$250 ish from HK. Maybe another option for the OP? more powerful and useful than a 430EX II. I see a lot of people using the Yongnou units.. they are damn cheap. What's the catch?
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    Re: Canon EOS 600D and 7D and multiple 430EXII speedlites

    by Dalzine » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:49 pm

    The catch is they are damn cheap. You can;t build for that price using the same materials and technology as the more expensive brands so you will need to accept there's a higher chance of failure. I have used Yongou flashes before and spent a fair bit of time fixing them, something I have never had to do with my Canon strobes.

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    Re: Canon EOS 600D and 7D and multiple 430EXII speedlites

    by magnum » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:11 pm

    Thanks for all the good advice and experiences.

    For the record, I recently acquired a new Canon Speedlite 430 EX II as I mentioned in the original post I was going to.

    Have so far used it only very little, mainly on the camera shoe at a conference on both the 600D and 7D. It adds a bit of weight (speedlite weighs 360 gms with batteries) but it is not unmanageable, even my wife could manage it. It seems to work very well with these cameras and the little bit of off camera wireless (optical slave) flash use with both the 600D and 7D (using their master flash control) seems to work well and appears to be all we need for the present and for some time into the future. I like the total compatibility of Canon gear and can get these new for a lot less than at the usual camera stores, so I'll stick with them. Once I have a chance to really put the flash through its paces, I'll probably order another.

    On this topic, I have recently become aware of the Canon ST-E2 Speedlite Flash Transm​itter. With the master flash control in the 7D and 600D do I really need one of these?
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    Re: Canon EOS 600D and 7D and multiple 430EXII speedlites

    by GeoffM » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:16 pm

    magnum wrote:
    On this topic, I have recently become aware of the Canon ST-E2 Speedlite Flash Transm​itter. With the master flash control in the 7D and 600D do I really need one of these?


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    Re: Canon EOS 600D and 7D and multiple 430EXII speedlites

    by magnum » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:43 pm

    Geoff,

    Thanks. I thought that was the case but I thought I'd check.
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    Re: Canon EOS 600D and 7D and multiple 430EXII speedlites

    by magnum » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:50 pm

    just ordered a second speedlite 430 EX II.
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